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XandrosAdminAJ
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The only thing is -- why have they bothered to leave these forums going?
Laziness?
Spam magnet?
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jimallyn
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| Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Just too lazy to take the trouble to shut them down, I suppose.
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russoje
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:42 am Post subject: Re: Wow! |
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| lpbbear wrote: | | lpbbear wrote: | I got to wondering how many were left here hanging on to the dream that Xandros was going anywhere with releases.
Its amazing there are still any of you here at all!
I guess it goes to show what a great bunch of customers Xandros "had" until they blew themselves out of the water by giving up and buying into the Microsoft deal. |
Wow! Another year gone and.....still no desktop releases from Xandros! Just how long do you all suppose the contract they signed with Microsoft is binding for? Eternity?
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So my take.
Xandros gets a nice little reward for their "deal" with Microsoft. Xandros basically kills their distribution effort in return and starts looking for alternate ways to build revenue.
Xandros gets lucky with the whole "netbook" idea because of the timing of Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot with Vista/Titanic.
Microsoft sees the success of the whole Linux based netbook trend, forgets their new "friend" Xandros, and begins undercutting Xandors' sudden wins in the market by making backroom deals with the netbook manufacturers to make sure Linux version use SSD drives while the resurrected WinXP uses the much larger hard drives, subsidies etc. |
As events of the past year have proven I was dead on with my thoughts above. Thats exactly what happened.
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Face it all of you. Its over. It was over the moment Xandros signed the deal with Microsoft. Its a shame but thats the facts. With these "deals" Microsoft set out to kill all the most prominent user friendly Linux distributions with Xandros being one of them. |
Every Linux company that signed the bogus patent agreements with Microsoft is either dead or dying. Microsoft targeted Linux companies like Xandros exactly because they were on the way to proving the myth of Linux can't be a desktop mainstream operating system wrong. Sadly, the Xandros management wanted Microsoft's money over actually continuing to provide quality alternative Linux based desktop products.
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Some of you may remember me as a longtime Xandros supporter from way back. I'm obviously not anymore. I'm amazed there are any of you left. On the other hand if Microsoft were as loyal to its "friends" as you all are to Xandros maybe this whole deal thing would have worked out differently. |
I had a call from one of you a while back asking what Linux I use these days. For myself I use a mix of Kubuntu or Linux Mint as well as dabbling here and there with other Linux distros. In general the entire field of Linux distros has improved as a whole to the point that whatever advantages Xandros had back in its day are gone. While there are a few things Xandros excelled at, such as Samba integration, the other items it did not do such a good job with, such as package management and current updates, are far superior in almost every current version of Linux available.
Xandros is a "could have been". Unfortunately it screwed the pooch and left its users and resellers sitting high and dry when it signed with Microsoft.
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See you all in another year....if this is still even here.
(Is the community STILL having to roll their own new releases and updates?)
(I told you so)
Bear |
I'm not sure I will even bother to visit in a year from now. Wandering through this forum is a depressing experience. Its a living breathing example of the effects an out of control illegal monopoly has on consumer choice and technological innovation. If this forum serves any purpose anymore it would be as yet another example of Microsoft's impact in that area.
At least they haven't managed to pull the evidence off the Internet or bury it under court ordered anonymity as in so many other past examples......yet.
Good luck to you all.
Bear |
So much for conspiracy theories Novell was the first to sign and still has two Linux distros one free and one for sale.
Anyways perhaps Xandros didn't see anyway to make money? |
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lpbbear
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Wow! |
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| russoje wrote: |
So much for conspiracy theories Novell was the first to sign and still has two Linux distros one free and one for sale. |
A "conspiracy" is defined as:
1. the act of conspiring.
2. an evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot.
3. a combination of persons for a secret, unlawful, or evil purpose: He joined the conspiracy to overthrow the government.
4. Law. an agreement by two or more persons to commit a crime, fraud, or other wrongful act.
5. any concurrence in action; combination in bringing about a given result.
A "theory" is defined as:
1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a class of phenomena: Einstein's theory of relativity.
2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact.
3. Mathematics. a body of principles, theorems, or the like, belonging to one subject: number theory.
4. the branch of a science or art that deals with its principles or methods, as distinguished from its practice: music theory.
5. a particular conception or view of something to be done or of the method of doing it; a system of rules or principles.
6. contemplation or speculation.
7. guess or conjecture.
A "Conspriracy Theory" is defined as
"a term that originally was a neutral descriptor for any claim of civil, criminal or political conspiracy. However, it has become largely pejorative and used almost exclusively to refer to any fringe theory which explains a historical or current event as the result of a secret plot by conspirators of almost superhuman power and cunning.
Conspiracy theories are viewed with skepticism and often ridiculed because they are seldom supported by any conclusive evidence and contrast with institutional analysis, which focuses on people's collective behavior in publicly known institutions, as recorded in scholarly material and mainstream media reports, to explain historical or current events, rather than speculate on the motives and actions of secretive coalitions of individuals.
The term is therefore often used dismissively in an attempt to characterize a belief as outlandishly false and held by a person judged to be a crank or a group confined to the lunatic fringe. Such characterization is often the subject of dispute due to its possible unfairness and inaccuracy."
You have attempted to use the term to discredit and revise known factual history.
While Microsoft is a corporation made up of many individuals its actions are taken as a single entity there fore any actions Microsoft engages in is NOT a "conspiracy".
As well, since the actions have been clearly documented and are known facts the word "theory" has no validity either.
Since the above is true the correct term you maybe should have used is "single entity engaged in illegal actions" NOT "conspiracy theory".
On the other hand your usage of the term "conspiracy theory" was likely an attempt to discredit me and draw the readers attention away from known facts in order to perhaps "help" them forget the events that transpired.
Sorry, no workee. Those ARE the facts. They DID happen.
Since my involvement goes back to the very start of Xandros and you appear right about the time of the "partnership" the mind boggles at the possibilities.
The FACTS are:
Of the Linux desktop companies that signed partnerships with Microsoft:
1. TurboLinux = dead
2. Lindows = dead
3. Xandros = dead (as a desktop)
4. Novell = dying
So my statement "Every Linux company that signed the bogus patent agreements with Microsoft is either dead or dying" is completely factual and NOT a "theory".
| russoje wrote: |
Anyways perhaps Xandros didn't see anyway to make money? |
Perhaps you're right.
Who am I to judge?
Perhaps the jobless single mother saw no other way to "make money" but wearing tight short skirts, high heels, an edible thong, and standing on busy street corners waving at passing cars but......making money is not an end unto itself that justifies any actions no matter how unscrupulous they might be.
The facts are Xandros accepted money to shutdown their desktop operations from a company that is fully intent on restricting consumer choice to one operating system only. When Xandros did that they hurt the entire Linux and Open Source movement. Even if Xandros thought the end justified the means, it didn't. Eventually.... the Xandros we knew will cease to exist and all of their original good efforts for Linux will be lost and forgotten and even those few in the Linux community who do remember Xandros won't remember the good things they accomplished, only their negative association with Microsoft. They chose the path, they pulled on the tight skirt. No one forced them to.
Thats a FACT, not a "theory" and the only "conspiracy" I see is between Xandros and Microsoft. |
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JimParks
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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Yea, as I have stated here before, I have switched all of my linux farm computers from Xandros to Ubuntu. Even my webserver. Even if Xandros does eventually come out with a new desktop version, I won't be back.
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789
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject: it is business not war |
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| lpbbear wrote: | | the jobless single mother |
The owners of XandrOs were not jobless, were they ?
Did Cowpland set out to produce a viable Linux desktop distribution and linux Word Processor, or did he just position himself for Microsoft's buyout ?
Caldera didn't care about Unix, Linux, DOS, the truth about Windows and DOS, they just wanted to position themselves to receive a large settlement.
(btw Corel's and Caldera's example demonstrates how quick, simple, inexpensive it would be to produce a good Linux distribution)
How was Novell doing before the helping hand from Microsoft ? Did they sellout, or did they take what they could get ? Isn't Novell run by trigger-happy lawyers who couldn't care less about higher things then the bottom line ?
Who can tell what the goal of the XandrOs people was when they put money into Cowpland's abandoned project ?
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farang
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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If M$ has so much control over Xandros how come they allowed the Asus deal? This scared the pants off M$ so that they were forced to resurrect XP. My understanding is that the deal with M$ was to make their server software more OS compatible.
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lpbbear
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 6:43 pm Post subject: Re: it is business not war |
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I just love poorly informed history revisionists. They're sooooo easy. 
| 789 wrote: | | lpbbear wrote: | | the jobless single mother |
The owners of XandrOs were not jobless, were they ? |
Had a job eh? Makes one wonder why they pulled on the tight skirt. Working two jobs to support the family eh?
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Did Cowpland set out to produce a viable Linux desktop distribution and linux Word Processor, or did he just position himself for Microsoft's buyout ? |
Get your facts straight. Cowpland was gone by the time of the (cough cough) Corel/Microsoft buyout. Derek Burney was in charge by then. After he tanked Corel for his masters he later went on to work in the SharePoint division for.....Microsoft. (oops)
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Caldera didn't care about Unix, Linux, DOS, the truth about Windows and DOS, they just wanted to position themselves to receive a large settlement. |
Caldera DID care about Unix, Linux, DOS and the truth about all of them. After Ransom Love left Caldera under similar circumstances as Cowpland in Corel (funny how that works eh) and the moron named Du(h)rl McBride came in Caldera became the pitiful joke known as SCO. Thats when SCO went after the "large settlement" you refer to by engaging in a loser pipe dream lawsuit against Linux bankrolled by Microsoft hiding as deeply in the background as they felt safe to hide.
The lawsuit you so incorrectly try to attribute to involving Unix and Linux never happened under Caldera. The lawsuit they engaged in was against Microsoft and involved DR DOS and had NOTHING to do with Linux.
http://www.kegel.com/remedy/archive/fullstory/ca_sues_ms.html
(BTW, rinse and repeat, change the name to Yahoo, another hostile takeover similar to Corel and Caldera)
| 789 wrote: |
(btw Corel's and Caldera's example demonstrates how quick, simple, inexpensive it would be to produce a good Linux distribution) |
If thats the case, whats taking Xandros so long then. Must be a killer new Linux desktop version being brewed up in their super secret underground labs eh?
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How was Novell doing before the helping hand from Microsoft ? Did they sellout, or did they take what they could get ? Isn't Novell run by trigger-happy lawyers who couldn't care less about higher things then the bottom line ? |
Helping hand??? Thats a laugh. (Hey, my name is Guido and I has an offer you can't refuse....)
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Who can tell what the goal of the XandrOs people was when they put money into Cowpland's abandoned project ?
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Certainly not you. Whatever they pay shills these days, they are definitely paying you too much.
Dude, if your purpose was to discredit me, thanks, you've done my work for me. You're not worthy!
(at least get your facts straight before making a virtual fool of yourself) |
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lpbbear
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| farang wrote: | If M$ has so much control over Xandros how come they allowed the Asus deal? This scared the pants off M$ so that they were forced to resurrect XP. My understanding is that the deal with M$ was to make their server software more OS compatible.
farang |
My guess is the original "partnership" deal they signed was during a period where Microsoft, in their over confident arrogance, had no idea that Vista was going to tank so badly nor that the whole "netbook" rage was ever going to even exist. Basically a loophole in whatever contract/agreement was exchanged between the two parties. Once Microsoft saw how badly they had blundered they definitely used their market monopoly position to arm twist things to their favor against their so called "partner" even including reviving Windows XP from the grave they had hoped to plant it in and giving it away at rock bottom pricing to OEM's. As to Asus, they have since come out publicly proclaiming their new found "love" for Microsoft and Microsoft has tried very hard to redefine the "netbook" into what they wanted to call a "low cost small notebook PC"-
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2045641099.html
http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2009/06/microsoft_wants_to_call_netbook_something_else.html
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/microsofts-netbook-conundrum/
http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_layoffs_netbooks_sales_are_killing_us
I see Xandros is hanging in there but my guess is had Microsoft had the common sense and vision to foresee where the market was going Xandros would not have had any chance with netbooks at all. It would have been blocked from the beginning in the so called "partnership" they agreed to with Microsoft or Microsoft would have headed Xandros off at the pass with the OEM's who manufactured "netbooks" right at the start. But then again, Microsoft has never been the "visionaries" they like to claim they are.
http://oem.xandros.com/netbooks.php |
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789
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| Posted: Wed Feb 03, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: it is business not war |
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| Zoomed right over your head, didn't it ? |
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xenington
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| Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'm still using Xandros 3, but am looking to upgrade to a newer version (hence coming back on here).
I was kind of hoping that X5 would be available by now. Or, if not, would be out soon. It doesn't look like that is going to happen though and getting version 4 now feels like a step backwards. It looks like my only option is to say goodbye to Xandros and get something else. Shame because I liked X3 very much. The only annoying thing was that within a couple of weeks of buying X3 came the release of X4! Was I miffed? Yes I was. |
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panther86
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lpbbear
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tymiles
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| Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:12 am Post subject: |
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You know what is the most funny is that MS got Xandros twice. Remember Xandros Linux used to be Corel linux. Then MS gave Corel some help, soon after that they spun off their Linux to Xandros, then MS came back and killed it again.
So is Xandros on the Desktop dead?
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JDoyle
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| Posted: Sat Sep 25, 2010 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| tymiles wrote: | | So is Xandros on the Desktop dead? |
For all intents and purposes, yes. This is true for all things Linux related from Xandros. Linspire/Freespire too.
They have moved in the direction of application stores for differing platforms. That is why they wanted the 'cnr' technology.
At the end of the day, Xandros is a for profit enterprise. Right now the money is in application delivery. There is NO money to be made in Linux operating systems, or the support of said Linux operating systems.
While there is no doubt that Linux is the better mouse trap, the hippie commune mentality that everything must be free (as in beer), makes profitability with Linux practically impossible. No one wants to work for free. Would you?
Xandros has made a (capitalist) business decision to pursue a more fiscally advantageous business model.
The losers in that decision, are you and I. And anyone else that is/was willing to pay for a quality 'free' product.
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