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TGBaker
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 Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:15 pm Post subject: Codecsssssss |
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I think the main problem at least for a newbie like me is trying to get enough or the right codecs to get everything running that you need so that you do not have to go into Windoze. For example the essential package got a lot of things running but it was not until i found collections of other w32codecs, realplayer and flash installs did I get my comcast home page so that I could check web mail and watch streaming video with audio. The down side is that I blew away my local directory in the process which in turn fried my Streamtuner/ripper associations. I think that this is the result of having a specialized KDE desktop. The paradox is that is one of the many features that draws me to Xandros. How can we get what is needed to get the maximun functionality without frying some other part of the system? I can get kaffeine or Mplayer to intergrate into the web browser or file manager and play video/audio. But I have yet to have an install that does not crash and give an error message once you close the web page or file mamager. I have not tried "pinning" my system yet. But correct me if I am wrong ...will that not prevent some upgrades that we experiment with in trying to get various things to work whether they or multimedia or things like online banking with MyMoney?
Most of you know I don't mind crashing 'cause I learn a lot each time i do. But some people can not afford to fry their systems regularily like I do. As I have discussed with Davidalun elsewhere I think having a full repsotiory or file of codecs and "what-have-you's" is worth a fee perhaps as part of a premium membership or in addtion if it pays for those questionable legal files as Turbolinux has done with the licensing of their multimedia distro. I'd rather see Linux be all free etc., but then I've always been willing to pay for the benefits that Xandros comerical products provide.
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davidalun
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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I guess at this point it's kind of a moot point - we have no idea if M$ would even be willing (bear in mind they're not exactly best friends with the linux world), or if so for how much. Maybe Xandros have already asked - we just don't know.
Maybe the solution is a one-stop-shop 'add all the stuff' package from someone's repository. If so, I guess it'd either have to be hosted somewhere that M$ can't get to them, or cut a deal with M$.
Right now all we have is some shared knowledge. It's a pity that doesn't satisfy some people but that's all we have to offer.
As for pinning - yep, the idea is to save you from yourself, so if you're experimenting it can prevent some things from installing. Chances are that those things may not work or may trash the system, but if you're hell bent on doing it ... forget the pinning.
Best advice for experimentors is to have two installations - one (pinned) for work and the other for 'play'.
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TGBaker
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[quote="davidalun"]I guess at this point it's kind of a moot point - we have no idea if M$ would even be willing (bear in mind they're not exactly best friends with the linux world), or if so for how much. Maybe Xandros have already asked - we just don't know.
I think that there is a lot of potential changes that can happen as Linux becomes more popular. I was looking yesterday for an MP3 player for my 12 year old( X-mas cometh ). I noticed a couple of them will play ogg's. ogg is certainly a better way to go than mp3 or wma. As Firefox becomes more popular perhaps MS IE dependency problems will become fewer. presently I need to figure out how to get my Comcast home page to work without goin' overboard with add-in's etc., . DVD's, mp3's, wma's are all playin' fine. I am using MS IE through Crossover to access my work database. There is little other to to do but the Comcast streaming. It is probably a flashplayer issue????? 
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davidalun
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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I pretty much ignored ogg until about a month ago - someone posted about ogg being a better format. I guess I had my head stuck around MP3s.
It's a great format - smaller, sounds better to me, or at least as good anyway, and as you say, it seems to be catching on. I guess it'll all come around given a bit of time.
Just stay the hell away from Sony media disks - at least with your Windows box   Sony sure screwed up with that one.
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TGBaker
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Just stay the hell away from Sony media disks - at least with your Windows box Sony sure screwed up with that one. |
I bought a sony cd/mp3 player that came with a SonicStage simple player to convert mp3's and CDA's to Altrac 3 and 3 plus. The software stunk royally. They finally allowed purchasers to get the fullblown SonicStage software which has been a little better. I put the whole Beatles library on one CD with several hours of space left over. It is great compression with good playback. But when it messes up it can undo several hours worth of recording. I have all of Hendrix's stuff on one CD...All of Zeppelin etc., 25 CD's on one is impressive. But you have to have their software and hardware to play the format. Obviously they use it on their mini-CD and digital Walkman's as well. They offer it in lieu of wma support.
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davidalun
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Actually I was refering to the latest security debacle - there's some posts in 'off-topic'. Sony seem to have gone off the rails a bit in the last little while.
I used to be a Sony fan - I think I'll be avoiding their stuff for a while.
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TGBaker
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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| davidalun wrote: | Actually I was refering to the latest security debacle - there's some posts in 'off-topic'. Sony seem to have gone off the rails a bit in the last little while.
I used to be a Sony fan - I think I'll be avoiding their stuff for a while. |
I check the off-topics... thanks... Whatz da buzz?
EDITED:I read the thread.. Not surprizing...just sad...What do the CD's do in a Linux environment....? Of course there are those DVD's that try to load their own Windows players when you insert them that launch my Crossover program without askin'
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jimallyn
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davidalun
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I haven't heard what if anything these things do to a Linux or Mac box - I suspect nothing as the software seems to be specific to Windows.
All the same, strike Sony off the approved vendors list. 
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jpp-zoso
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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| davidalun wrote: | | I haven't heard what if anything these things do to a Linux or Mac box - I suspect nothing as the software seems to be specific to Windows. |
i've tried a few of these on both os x and linux...i can confirm, nothing happens on insert unless you have crossover office installed.
i have been able to rip mp3s just fine using os x/itunes (one time only so far). have not tried ripping anything in linux yet, but xfm does not seem to recognize the audio tracks, only the data files. linux cd players seem to play the audio tracks fine, cddb finds audio files just fine, so i'll hafta try ripping them. doesn't look promising so far on cursory tries...so far, nothing seems to see the audio tracks.
for those who haven't seen the eula text before, here's an interesting excerpt:
| Sony EULA excerpt wrote: | IMPORTANT-READ CAREFULLY: This compact disc (“CD”) product contains standard so-called “Red Book”-compliant audio files that can be played on any standard CD player, including those contained in many personal home computer systems. As an added feature, this compact disc (“CD”) product also enables you to convert these audio files into digital music files and/or may also contain other already existing digital content (such files and content, collectively, the “DIGITAL CONTENT”), any of which may be stored on the hard drive of a personal home computer system owned by you (“YOUR COMPUTER”) and accessed via YOUR COMPUTER or certain approved, compatible portable devices owned by you (each, an “APPROVED PORTABLE DEVICE”).
Before you can play the audio files on YOUR COMPUTER or create and/or transfer the DIGITAL CONTENT to YOUR COMPUTER, you will need to review and agree to be bound by an end user license agreement or “EULA”, the terms and conditions of which are set forth below. Once you have read these terms and conditions, you will be asked whether or not you agree to be bound by them. Click “AGREE” if you agree to be bound. Click “DISAGREE” if you do not agree to be bound. Please keep in mind, however, that if you do not agree to be bound by these terms and conditions, you will not be able to utilize the audio files or the DIGITAL CONTENT on YOUR COMPUTER.
As soon as you have agreed to be bound by the terms and conditions of the EULA, this CD will automatically install a small proprietary software program (the “SOFTWARE”) onto YOUR COMPUTER. The SOFTWARE is intended to protect the audio files embodied on the CD, and it may also facilitate your use of the DIGITAL CONTENT. Once installed, the SOFTWARE will reside on YOUR COMPUTER until removed or deleted. However, the SOFTWARE will not be used at any time to collect any personal information from you, whether stored on YOUR COMPUTER or otherwise.
Once the SOFTWARE has been installed on YOUR COMPUTER, a menu will then appear on the screen of YOUR COMPUTER, giving you the option of playing the audio files on YOUR COMPUTER, creating a copy of the DIGITAL CONTENT directly onto the hard drive of YOUR COMPUTER, or making a limited number of back-up copies of the CD onto other, recordable CDs. If you choose to create a copy of the DIGITAL CONTENT, the menu will then prompt you to select a file format for the DIGITAL CONTENT. Once you have selected a file format, a copy of the DIGITAL CONTENT will automatically be created in that file format and transferred onto the hard drive of YOUR COMPUTER, where you will be able to access it using an APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER (see below) or, at you election, transfer it from YOUR COMPUTER onto an APPROVED PORTABLE DEVICE.
In order to access the DIGITAL CONTENT on YOUR COMPUTER, you will need to have a copy of an approved media player software program that is capable of playing the DIGITAL CONTENT in the file format you selected (each such approved media player, an “APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER”) on YOUR COMPUTER. You may already have a copy of an APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER on YOUR COMPUTER. If you do, you will be able to play the DIGITAL CONTENT on YOUR COMPUTER without doing anything further. This CD may also contain an APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER for the file format you selected. If it does, the menu that appears on the screen of YOUR COMPUTER will prompt you on how to transfer a copy of that APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER onto YOUR COMPUTER. To the extent you utilize an APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER contained on this CD, your use of such APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER may be subject, in each instance, to separate terms and conditions provided by the owner of the APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER concerned. If you do not already have a copy of an APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER on YOUR COMPUTER, and if this CD does not contain a compatible APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER, then you will then need to secure a compatible APPROVED MEDIA PLAYER elsewhere (e.g., on an Internet website, where you can download one). |
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davidalun
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Pity they forgot to mention that removing or deleting the "Software" will totally trash an XP box.
Oh well, minor details ................  
Good news that it doesn't affect Linux though - thanks.
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jpp-zoso
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2005 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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ok, kaudiocreator and grip rip/encode these drm type cds no problem. tried ogg/mp3/flac. all sound just fine. sound juicer however, doesn't do squat. doesn't recognize the cd at all. xfm as mentioned previously doesn't recognize the audio tracks.
so here's one more reason to use a non-windoze os.
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farenheit
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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And another good reason to disable "autorun" on every OS  For Xandros, crack open the command prompt and using your editor of choice (I like nano) edit /etc/autorun/autorun.conf and change the entries that say "Yes" to "No" (without the quotes).
Restart the autorun process (or wait until you next restart the machine) and bingo, no autorun! So you can avoid those horrible Interactual Players from starting up with DVDs too
As for audio format, I rip everything at 320kbps, 44.1Khz Stereo high quality MP3 and when you rip at that kinda quality format doesn't matter as much as everything takes up the same amount of space. I've stuck with MP3 as my iPod plays them, my phone (SonyEricsson D750i) plays them and most media players play them without any hassles. Oh and I have over 5,000 tracks that I don't really wanna re-rip from CDs!! |
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jpp-zoso
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| Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2005 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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ripperx rips/encodes these drm cds just fine too...
k3b, not so much. doesn't recognize the audio files.
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jpp-zoso
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| Posted: Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:10 am Post subject: |
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[quote="jpp-zoso"] | davidalun wrote: | | i've tried a few of these on both os x and linux...i can confirm, nothing happens on insert unless you have crossover office installed. |
Mac anti-rip code surfaces on Sony BMG CD
not good. not good at all. maybe it is true, the more popular something gets, the more attention it will get by things like viruses, spyware, and now drm.
i actually own this album, but on the european "megaphonic records" label, not sony bmg. just checked the disc contents w/ xfm and it is clean. audio files only. no data content of any sort.
way to go sony!! i'm sure imogen will be thriled to learn of this since she mortgaged her flat to make the album she wanted to make w/o having to relinquish control to a record label. maybe she should by some cd burners too...
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