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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 1:52 pm    Post subject: Installation Limitations on OCE? Reply with quote

Just a newbie here, working on learning everything I can in order to free myself from the clutches of MS...

My question: if I really learn my way around Linux, if I learn everything on the "Instalation" part of the forum, can I install any Linux program on OCE?

In other words, are there any limitations to OCE eventually working like a full fledged Linux system?
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Installation Limitations on OCE? Reply with quote

Bad Dog wrote:
can I install any Linux program on OCE?

In other words, are there any limitations to OCE eventually working like a full fledged Linux system?


You can install any software specifically compiled for Xandros, and much software compiled for Debian Stable/Testing. If you get software somewhere other than Xandros Networks, it's probably best to ask about it on the forums before installing.

I would consider OCE to be a full-fledged Linux system.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 29, 2004 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only differences between the Open Circulation Edition of Xandros and the other commercial versions of Xandros is, in the case of the Deluxe and Business Editions, the lack of inclusion of Crossover Office and the cd burning portion of the Xandros File Manager in the OCE is limited in burning speed to the minimum speed of your CD burner. The latter can be overcome by installing any of the mariad of other CD burning packages out there including K3B. Other than these differences, OCE is identical to the Xandros commercial packages and is, in ever sense of the word, a full fledged Linux system.

I hope this helps,
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the help and answers.

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You can install any software specifically compiled for Xandros


Can you expand on this please? How exactly is SW compiled for Xandros different compared to, say, SW compiled for a standard Debian system?

If SW isn't compiled for Xandros, or is otherwise incompatible, can I compile it myself from source?

Does most "stable" Debian code drop right in? Will I create any disasters if I experiment?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad Dog wrote:
Will I create any disasters if I experiment?


You may, probably not from stable, but installing from current testing (on which xandros is based but 2 is a year old and it's libraries are therefore 12 months behind) and unstable may well brake your xandros - there have been multiple posts from people who've done just that.

There's a good post on installing stuff in XOS in the tips and tricks forum - it's old but the principles still apply

http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?t=5995

The stuff on pinning in that thread is out of date however and won't work anymore. The most current advice I'm aware of on pinning XOS is from Arne Anka here (starting about halfway down the page)

http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?t=10151&highlight=

Some more linkts for general advice on installing programs in XOS are here

http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?t=7471&highlight=

Finally some links for info on compiling are here

http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?t=9436&highlight=

I commend the search button to your attention!

hth

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad Dog wrote:
How exactly is SW compiled for Xandros different compared to, say, SW compiled for a standard Debian system?


Much Linux software is not "stand-alone", it uses "libraries" for some of its functions. It's about like dll's in windoze. Some programs need to have specific versions of some libraries. If you try to install a program that needs a different version of a library, two things could happen: 1, the software would not install correctly because you don't have the libraries you need, or 2, the software install would also install the newer version of the library files, which might not be compatible with other programs you already have installed, thus other programs could quit working. I consider this to be one of the biggest problems with Linux. However, it is getting better.

You can compile programs specifically for Xandros. I personally don't know how to do it, but there are several people on the forums that do, and have compiled programs into .deb packages for Xandros and made them available to Xandros users.

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You all rock! This is exactly the info I was looking for. I am really happy with Xandros so far. I guess my next move is to upgrade from OCE to an official version with an XN subscription, so that I can add some SW. That will keep my learning curve managable until I can handle the "build Debian from scratch" kind of project.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 4:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bad Dog wrote:
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I guess my next move is to upgrade from OCE to an official version with an XN subscription, so that I can add some SW.


This comment is NOT AT ALL intended to discourage you from purchasing an official version of Xandros. My feeling is that if you use a commercial Linux distro, you ought to support the company that produced it. Having said that, you don't HAVE to purchase an official version or subscribe to XN to use it. There are some applications that are not available to non-paying users, but there are a LOT that are available. Now, go ahead and get that credit card out....... Mr. Green

I hope this helps,
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 01, 2004 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I absolutely agree with Ed's view that you should support Xandros by purchasing a full copy - but hang on a couple of weeks for 3.0 to come out.

It will be worth the wait. That's from one of the Beta testers - he has to keep writing about all the good things he's found because he can't find any bad stuff. He's afraid Xandros will think he's not doing any testing if he doesn't send in something.

Anyway, get that card polished up ready..............
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 03, 2004 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with all of you!

I pulled the trigger on the the cc to quickly, partly becuase I am happy to support these guys, but while I debug the downloaded install file (no luck creating a bootable disk yet) I have already used XN to get some of the stuff I wanted.

The more I work with this system, the more I like it.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your help.

As a result of the discussion I have learned the ins and outs of Xandros Networks and I have installed everything I wanted.

I also have a Xandros Desktop 2.0 bootable install CD ready to go, but I am holding back on installing because my OCE system is just fine for me.

Wow, how come more people aren’t singing the praises of Xandros?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I am understanding you correctly, you purchased Xandros Deluxe Edition but you have Xandros OCE installed and don't want to mess it up since you have it tweaked the way that you want it. If you don't need the extra CD burning speed in Xandros File Manager but you do want to have Crossover Office, you can just install those debian packages from your Deluxe disk. Put the disk in your drive, open Xandros File Manager, highlight the drive, right click on it, select find and in the search field type "*cx*", without the quotation marks. After the search is finished, you should see two files named:

cxoffice-xandros_2.1.0-4_i386.deb

cxplugin-xandros_2.1.0-4_i386.deb

If you double click on each file, one at a time, Xandros Networks will open and allow you to install the applications. When you are done, go

Launch
Applications
Crossover Office
Office Setup

and install any Window$ applications that you want.

I hope this helps,
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 06, 2004 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would imagine that if you register with the license info you got with your 2.0 you would be able to upgrade to the high speed burner through XN.

Being severlely challenged in anything command line, I love the simplicity of XN and the fact that Xandros keeps records of what you're entitled to - all I have to remember is my username and password in case I decide to do a re-install or add another computer to the 'fleet'.

Great package, and my buddy who's doing the beta testing tells me 3.0 is a WINNER !!! Guess what's on top of my list to Santa..........
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 08, 2004 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just ordered the 3.0 Box Set!

Yes, I understand the point that I should be able to upgrade the burn speed using my "official" 2.0 serial number. It's not much of a priority for me, so I think I will just wait for 3.0.

BTW, the education I got here regarding XN has been a big help! Thanks to all.
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