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hanasi
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 2:38 am    Post subject: "Installed" package can't be found Reply with quote

I am an utter newbie in Xandros and in Linux in general. I have Xandros Home Premium.

I Want to install the Knews newsreader; this package does not appear in the Xandros Networks collection, but it is available in the Debian Repository. I switched to the DR and installed it, apparently successfully.

The list of installed software now indicates that it is installed, but I see no other evidence of this. A search of "knews" in the Find facility does not find any file with a name like <knews*> or <knews*.*>; when the application was installed, it did not deign to tell me where it had put it, and as far as I can see, it didn't put it anywhere. What shall I conclude from these circumstances? How can I _actually_ install this program to the point where I can make use of it?
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:01 am    Post subject: Re: "Installed" package can't be found Reply with quote

hanasi wrote:
I am an utter newbie in Xandros and in Linux in general. I have Xandros Home Premium.

I Want to install the Knews newsreader; this package does not appear in the Xandros Networks collection, but it is available in the Debian Repository. I switched to the DR and installed it, apparently successfully.

The list of installed software now indicates that it is installed, but I see no other evidence of this. A search of "knews" in the Find facility does not find any file with a name like <knews> or <knews>; when the application was installed, it did not deign to tell me where it had put it, and as far as I can see, it didn't put it anywhere. What shall I conclude from these circumstances? How can I _actually_ install this program to the point where I can make use of it?


Hi hanasi, welcome to Xandros, and to the friendliest forums on the web. First, let me tell you, that installing software from non-Xandros sources can totally hose your system, requiring you to reinstall from scratch. While Xandrod is Debian-based, it is not Debian, many files, libs, and programs have been tweaked in special ways which make Xandros Xandros. Xandros 4 is based on Debian sarge, and most times, programs built on Debian sarge will work ok on Xandros, but there is still the possibility that they will break some of the things that give Xandros its unique look and feel. Before you decide a package is not available from Xandros Networks, there are a few steps you must follow: 1) Open Xandros Networks (XN), and allow it to update its package lists. This may take a few minutes. 2) Click on the Edit menu, and select Set Appication Sources,. Make sure that both the Xandros Main Repository, and the Debian Unsupported Repository are checked. 3) Click on the Settings menu, and put a check next to Expert View. 4) In the search box, in the upper right corner, enter the name of the package you are looking for, (In this case, "knews", and click the Search button. After a few seconds, the search results list will appear. Read through the list. (There may be numerous items shown), until you locate the package you are looking for. 5) Click the Install button, to the right of the package, and wait while XN installs it for you. If a search on XN with both repositories and Expert View enabled fails to locate a package, then it is not available from Xandros. Before installing it from a random site on the web, however, you should ask about it here in the forums. Odds are someone here knows where you can get a Xandros-safe package to install, or one of the gurus on here may build a package just for you. That happens quite often on here. Asking for advice before you leap can save you a lot of grief. Hope this helps. Ben
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try going to "launch">"Run" & type knews .

If it runs, then we'll figure out how to add it to your menu.

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hanasi
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Davepet"]Try going to "launch">"Run" & type knews .

If it runs, then we'll figure out how to add it to your menu.

Dave[/quote]


To my amazement, knews did indeed start. The first thing I would like to understand is how it did so, given that a thorough (?) search failed to find it present on the HD. WHY was it invisible?

Afterthat, I would of course like to learn how to put it on the Application menu, or otherwise make it more readily available for use.

Thanks much...
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure why a search would not find it, but the executable usually goes in /usr/bin.
To add it to the menu, right click on the launch button, choose Menu Editor, drill down to where you want to put the entry, right click again and choose add new entry.
For the command just put knews.
You can change the icon by clicking on the icon and choosing a new one.
Then go to file -> save.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 7:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

<edit>Damn! Beaten to it by bryantrv Wink</edit>

Most programs are installed into /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin both are part of the "path" as default. That means that when type any command (e.g. ls, find, grep etc) those locations are checked for programs matching what you typed.

"knews" obviously has an entry in one or both of those locations, allowing it to be run. What has likely happened is that there was no menu information in the package that you installed. So although it appears it is not there, it actually is.

As for not finding it from a "find" was this via the command line and using something like "find / -name "knews*" or using the Xandros, Launch -> Find -> Files or Folders? If using the Xandros GUI it is possible you did not have the correct path selected. You would need to make sure that the "Look in" box had only a forward slash "/" (without quotes), otherwise it will only look in YOUR home folder.
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