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sellib
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 8:32 pm    Post subject: Sound not working Reply with quote

Have reviewed a number of threads here regarding no sound and nothing has worked.

I have installed Xandros Pro (trial). I think it is 4.1. This is on a gateway laptop. Hardware detection shows sound card as MCP51 high def audio.

Have run alsaconf a couple of times, no luck. No mixers will run for me (I think kmix is the one that is installed by default and if I run it, it is completely empty - no channels to mute/unmute)

Noticing that after running alsaconf and I try to run alsamixer I get the following:

alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi selib

and let me welcome you to the friendliest forum on the net....REALLLY!... Smile

My general observation of sound on laptops is that the sound is spotty....

There are a coupla folks that are up on this particular problem so pop back in and I'm sure someone will be by to help.. Smile

again, welcome!

AIN't Xandros grEAT!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

woodsmoke wrote:
hi selib

and let me welcome you to the friendliest forum on the net....REALLLY!... Smile

My general observation of sound on laptops is that the sound is spotty....

There are a coupla folks that are up on this particular problem so pop back in and I'm sure someone will be by to help.. Smile

again, welcome!

AIN't Xandros grEAT!
woodsmoke


I'd really like it to be great... had the same problem under Ubuntu as well, so I am rather sad about it. However, other than sound, Xandros was the cleanest install.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Sound not working Reply with quote

sellib wrote:
Have reviewed a number of threads here regarding no sound and nothing has worked.

I have installed Xandros Pro (trial). I think it is 4.1. This is on a gateway laptop. Hardware detection shows sound card as MCP51 high def audio.

Have run alsaconf a couple of times, no luck. No mixers will run for me (I think kmix is the one that is installed by default and if I run it, it is completely empty - no channels to mute/unmute)

Noticing that after running alsaconf and I try to run alsamixer I get the following:

alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device


Also took a look at "judyz" Getting your Soundcard to work. I followed the steps in #1 and that didnt do anything. I views the OSS site, but it looks like it expects me to do some compiling so that is pretty much out of my league.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2007 11:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sellib, I don't think I'm the guy with the solution to your sound problems. But, I think the people most likely to have the answer will want to know more about your sound system. Open a console (click Launch, Applications, System, Console) and enter this command:

Code:
lspci -vv


It will print out a bunch of stuff, but somewhere among all of it, it will tell everything it knows about your sound system. On my system, the portion about the sound system says:

Quote:
0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)
Subsystem: TERRATEC Electronic GmbH EWS88 MT
Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort>SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5
Region 0: I/O ports at d800 [size=32]
Region 1: I/O ports at d400 [size=16]
Region 2: I/O ports at d000 [size=16]
Region 3: I/O ports at cc00 [size=64]
Capabilities: <available>


Yours will of course say something different, but it will be similar to that. Copy and paste whatever it says and post it here. It will help the real experts come up with a solution!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi
if I get this working for you will you fix my lawnmower.. Laughing

I believe your driver for your on board sound chip is the nVidia MCP51 by your description.
So, this has should be activated by the intel8x0.ko driver which is in
/lib/modules/2.6.18-dcc-smp/kernel/sound/pci

If you do as jimallyn suggests lspci -vv and the beginning of your output is something like
Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 \
Audio Controller (rev a2)
Then ...
Don't know why it was not detected..
Open a console and post this results also..
lsmod
Just mark with mouse Edit/Copy and Paste in post..
..If we don't see we don't see
intel8x0 ...........then we will can insert it below..
If we do then we may have to alter parameters or try the Updated OSS Sound system install which I mention below..

NEXT
as we have a .ko ((Elf binary)) file rather then the .c file ((Text)
I can't have you add to the code like so..
switches something like 0x10de, 0x026b, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, DEVICE_NFORCE
but maybe there is a generic already compiled into the elf binary.
..We could do this on the fly with
modprobe and insmod but as OSS/Alsa is already up a reboot may prove necessay anyway.
..I have never worked with this chip but I understand that from Motherboard to Motherboard it can be quirky with LINUX.

If this does not work you may need a Newer OSS update.as this is a newer chip.
http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi
use the LINUX 2.6 (x86)DEB
..But save this until we try the module you have..

So, to start try to add the module into /etc/modules
If it doesn't work we can add switches and/or always remove it.
If it does we can maybe use modules.conf and the update-modules

to try
Launch/Run/ when the box pops up enter
kdesu kate /etc/modules
......Now as the last line enter
intel8x0
do not enter the .ko extention
Next .
File / Save
and then quit and reboot..
I expect you will get some sound but it may not be good as we may have to add parameters after the entry..
Also your SOund is set by default to AutoDetect.. and this may have to be swithed in the Control Center to ALSA although it is not usually necessary.
..Well one step at a time..

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimallyn wrote:
sellib, I don't think I'm the guy with the solution to your sound problems. But, I think the people most likely to have the answer will want to know more about your sound system. Open a console (click Launch, Applications, System, Console) and enter this command:

Code:
lspci -vv


It will print out a bunch of stuff, but somewhere among all of it, it will tell everything it knows about your sound system. On my system, the portion about the sound system says:

Quote:
0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)
Subsystem: TERRATEC Electronic GmbH EWS88 MT
Control: I/O+ Mem- BusMaster+ SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR+ FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz- UDF- FastB2B- ParErr- DEVSEL=medium >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort>SERR- <PERR-
Latency: 64
Interrupt: pin A routed to IRQ 5
Region 0: I/O ports at d800 [size=32]
Region 1: I/O ports at d400 [size=16]
Region 2: I/O ports at d000 [size=16]
Region 3: I/O ports at cc00 [size=64]
Capabilities: <available>


Yours will of course say something different, but it will be similar to that. Copy and paste whatever it says and post it here. It will help the real experts come up with a solution!

Jim


Here is the lspci output:

Quote:
0000:00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2)
Subsystem: Gateway 2000: Unknown device 0317
Control: I/O- Mem- BusMaster- SpecCycle- MemWINV- VGASnoop- ParErr- Stepping- SERR- FastB2B-
Status: Cap+ 66MHz+ UDF- FastB2B+ ParErr- DEVSEL=fast >TAbort- <TAbort- <MAbort>SERR- <PERR-
Interrupt: pin B routed to IRQ 193
Region 0: Memory at b0000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [disabled] [size=16K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
Flags: PMEClk- DSI- D1- D2- AuxCurrent=0mA PME(D0-,D1-,D2-,D3hot+,D3cold+)
Status: D0 PME-Enable- DSel=0 DScale=0 PME-
Capabilities: [50] Message Signalled Interrupts: 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable-
Address: 0000000000000000 Data: 0000
Capabilities: [6c] #08 [a802]
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Post the
lsmod
and if the intel8x0 isnot present then

Based on that info try to insert the intel8x0 module /etc/modules per my post and reboot

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sqlpython wrote:
Hi
if I get this working for you will you fix my lawnmower.. Laughing


Sure, I will go to the garage and look for a sledge hammer Laughing

sqlpython wrote:

I believe your driver for your on board sound chip is the nVidia MCP51 by your description.
So, this has should be activated by the intel8x0.ko driver which is in
/lib/modules/2.6.18-dcc-smp/kernel/sound/pci

If you do as jimallyn suggests lspci -vv and the beginning of your output is something like
Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation MCP51 AC97 \
Audio Controller (rev a2)
Then ...
Don't know why it was not detected..
Open a console and post this results also..
lsmod
Just mark with mouse Edit/Copy and Paste in post..


Here is lsmod output:
Quote:

snd_hda_intel 21016 0
snd_hda_codec 155696 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_pcm_oss 43520 0
snd_mixer_oss 17280 1 snd_pcm_oss
snd_pcm 75140 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
snd_timer 23940 1 snd_pcm
snd 53252 6 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore 11104 1 snd
snd_page_alloc 11144 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm


sqlpython wrote:

..If we don't see we don't see
intel8x0 ...........then we will can insert it below..
If we do then we may have to alter parameters or try the Updated OSS Sound system install which I mention below..

NEXT
as we have a .ko ((Elf binary)) file rather then the .c file ((Text)
I can't have you add to the code like so..
switches something like 0x10de, 0x026b, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, DEVICE_NFORCE
but maybe there is a generic already compiled into the elf binary.
..We could do this on the fly with
modprobe and insmod but as OSS/Alsa is already up a reboot may prove necessay anyway.
..I have never worked with this chip but I understand that from Motherboard to Motherboard it can be quirky with LINUX.

If this does not work you may need a Newer OSS update.as this is a newer chip.
http://www.opensound.com/download.cgi
use the LINUX 2.6 (x86)DEB
..But save this until we try the module you have..

So, to start try to add the module into /etc/modules
If it doesn't work we can add switches and/or always remove it.
If it does we can maybe use modules.conf and the update-modules

to try
Launch/Run/ when the box pops up enter
kdesu kate /etc/modules
......Now as the last line enter
intel8x0
do not enter the .ko extention
Next .
File / Save
and then quit and reboot..
I expect you will get some sound but it may not be good as we may have to add parameters after the entry..
Also your SOund is set by default to AutoDetect.. and this may have to be swithed in the Control Center to ALSA although it is not usually necessary.
..Well one step at a time..

Post back.


So I tried updating /etc/modules. I added "snd-hda-intel" and that did not do anything. I then added "snd-intel8x0" and after rebooting, it seemed to mess up my video config. Had to start in safe mode and redo the xserver-config. I reset /etc/modules back to original (made a backup).

I did download the OSS stuff but I have no idea about compiling it and all that.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Messed up the Video?? Maybe stepping on an IRQ or similar Address
Quote:

I did download the OSS stuff but I have no idea about compiling it and all that.


No Compiling it is a .deb package

If it will work (and no guarantees) the XandrosNetworks Installer on you Desktop will install the package by the menu FIle/Install Deb
Then navigate the window to the OSS linux x86.deb download and click on it.
If it doesn't work then xandrosNetworks can also Remove it..
This will Usually put all back where it was....

The only reservation I have is that the OSS download Page at 4-Front http://www.opensound.com/ used to have a list of supported cards on the Page..That seems to be gone.. But if you want to be certain before you install you can email by Clicking on their SUPPORT button on the site and name your card and Xandros distro and see what they advise..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this on their forum ..note the nvidia reference

http://www.4front-tech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2085&highlight=nvidia

THey do state on their page
# OSS v4.0 is here!

* Build 1002 for Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, SCO OSR6 and UnixWare now available
* Added support for new NVidia MCP61 HDAudio model

So, I would think that the MCP51 is also supported..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sqlpython wrote:
I found this on their forum ..note the nvidia reference

http://www.4front-tech.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2085&highlight=nvidia

THey do state on their page
# OSS v4.0 is here!

* Build 1002 for Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, SCO OSR6 and UnixWare now available
* Added support for new NVidia MCP61 HDAudio model

So, I would think that the MCP51 is also supported..


When I try to install with the xandros tool, I get the following error:

Quote:

Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
oss-linux: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.4-1) but 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 is to be installed
Broken packages
Done.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately this means that Xandros 4 does not have the Dependencies to allow this package to install..

I will look about for another solutions but meanwhile drop an email on TechSupport.
Your card is dectected and it is a possibility to still get it working..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sqlpython wrote:
Unfortunately this means that Xandros 4 does not have the Dependencies to allow this package to install..

I will look about for another solutions but meanwhile drop an email on TechSupport.
Your card is dectected and it is a possibility to still get it working..


Well thanks for help. Will tech support help if I am using trial?
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Quote:
Well thanks for help. Will tech support help if I am using trial?

They may try.
But wait my contact Dev at OSS says to try the .tar file with Xandros..
Dev says:
Quote:

If you use the tar-ball installation, there is no dependancices but
certain GUI apps may or may not work.
regards
Dev Mazumdar


Which would be Linux 2.6 (x86).TAR
which is OSS v4.0
The version includes a High Def driver hdaudio which supports hd nvidia
This would be downloaded & then copied into the " /" dir
You can do this is a console as root with the su command or with the XandrosFileManager in Admin Mode /Launch/Applications/SYstem/Admin Tools/XFileManager (Admin)

Tar package How To OSS

Then Open a Console as
su
password

cd /
tar –jxvf oss-linux-v4.0-123-i386.tar.bz2
sh /usr/lib/oss/build/install.sh

2. You will have to reboot the system if
OSS replaced any driver previously
detected.

3. To test that the audio package is
correctly installed type: osstest and you
should hear the test sounds on the front
left, right and both speakers. Now log
out of the console session

No guarantees but this is a new install so Nothing to lose..
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