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BoyLinux · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject:

Not anymore.
Someone put it in two places Sad

My poor heart skipped a few beats and I'm a few more grey hairs now.
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RCC2k7 · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:36 pm Post subject:

Oh, well.. it was good while it lasted. But now that I know Xandros does work on my laptop, even wireless, a bigger hard drive is in order so I can have a dual-boot install.

I deleted the .iso file and won't pass along the disc to anyone. Anyway, I still have Ubuntu, Knoppix, PCLinuxOS and Freespire images I can use to show people what modern-day Linux can do.

Sorry for the turmoil and the extra gray hairs, Kevin.
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BoyLinux · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 8:02 pm Post subject:

Bah I never said delete it Razz

Just don't pass it around.
LiveCDs are nice when shopping for a new system.

Anyways hopefully they will come out with one for V5.
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sqlpython · Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject:

Well, that's it...... Sad

The live CD is no longer available.

I haven't burned the the ISO copy that I got , Yet. I hope it is good.
Frankly I am not expecting much on my Dell 5100 Inspiron as the wireless is always a problem that has to have ndiswrapper with the Win BCM drivers.

Looking forward to seeing the Live CD again in Version 5.
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Davepet · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:39 am Post subject:

sqlpython · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 1:58 am Post subject:

Now if you were to email me Dave..
You might just get a CD in the post heh..heh
Twisted Evil

Of course this is an Moderators only copy.. Wink

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Doctore · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:00 am Post subject:

If your illnesses Confused

or diseases Crying or Very sad

gets any worse, then contact the nice old doc.
I could ordinate some recipes, that might cure all of you Rolling Eyes

Will try to Live with that CD today, Letting you all know if it helped. If stills breading afterwards,
the testresults will be passed over tomorrow...

Doctore

Davepet · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 3:37 am Post subject:

Now now, you've been asked to not distribute this....
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sqlpython · Posted: Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject:

Yeah, your right.. Into the vault it goes.
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Doctore · Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject:

Time goes by, tomorrow was yesterday, already!

Know all dear Xandrosian sits biting their fingernails thinking: Will that old doc
ordinate that LiveCD or not? Can only say, its "temp-tating"...

So, GUIS and Commanders, here are some findings about the of Xandros by mistake Embarassed

(we are all humans) available made LiveCD.

This in the future eventually available concept now contains Xandros File Manager
with DVD-burning and NTFS write support, Xandros Networks, OpenOffice, Photo Manager,
GIMP, Firefox, Skype and other normal software. Though Storage Manger was missing.
And no visible icon for HDD install.

Run tests on different hardware from VIA KT133/AMD Duron, Intel 875P/Intel Pentium4
to nVIDIA Quadro/Athlon64 systems, all custom built. Laptops from Intel 865G/Celeron
to nVIDIA/AMD Turion systems. Boots similar to harddisk installs. All tried worked.
Speed is as fast/slow as any other LiveCD. Couldnt find any problems to talk about.
Xandros new slogan from now on could be "its alive"

Even if its only an testCD it seems more polished than enough to be distributed
to public as at least an beta or an release candidate.

Dont understand why an Xandros 4/4.1 free installable or free install/LiveCD havent
yet been released by Xandros? Especially when looking at distrowatch homepage how
Xandros popularity has fallen from 10:th place (25% hits of most popular distribution)
to now below 25:th place (10% hits of most popular distribution). That dont sound
good at all. More money is of course involved in corporate business. But why forget
the poor home users? Thinks some marketing personnel needs to hear to old song, that
goes something like this: "the more we are together... the better it is"

If it was offered to that "Glass Empire". Their reactions would surely sound like:
"WOW - THIS IS WHAT IT WAS MENT TO BE" Evil or Very Mad

...

Doctore (still breading)

PS. Will not distribute, yet Confused

DS.

Fargo · Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 3:50 pm Post subject:

Doctore · Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:05 am Post subject:

HAD ALMOST DECIDED TO NOT EXPRESS THE REST OF MY THOUGHTS ON THIS TREAD.
BUT CONCLUDED TO PUBLISH AFTER READING SOME REPLYS ON FARGOS LATEST TOPIC.
HERE GOES THAT OLD STORY, AGAIN Shocked

...

Nobody discussing on these forums is pointless. All have their points. Those who discovered
benefits of commercial distributions, have their reasons. Those using free alternatives have
others. Paying Linux users may say: "Windows costs, Why should Linux be free"? If asking Windows
users, the answer might be different... Income is necessary for any Linux distribution to survive.
And probably most of the new Linux users are ready to pay for god products with extra value.
At least after using an working "free" basic product for some time. Or didnt anybody
switch from Xandros 3 OCE and payed for Xandros 4 Home Premium/Professional?

Commercial Linux distributions struggles on an "market" where most of the "competitors" delivers
products "for free", usable or not. This "market" is ruled by an "monopoly distribution" ("taxing" users).
The "monopolys" products are usable. It gets also "help" from "privates" delivering "products for free",
for those who cant afford/dont want/care to pay.

Some choices commercial Linux distributors may have:
A) Continuing serving old paying home and corporate customers.
B) Attract new paying home customers with products better than good.
C) Concentrate to get more corporate customers buying their products.
D) Get in to the OEM computer business, which now is ruled by "monopoly".
http://news.zdnet.co.uk/hardware/0,1000000091,39286228,00.htm
This explains why many users first learned/started using Windows.

Dells ideastorm gives some hope:
http://www.dellideastorm.com/
Or, maybe not. Ubuntu, Fedora and OpenSUSE
are mentioned. But where is Xandros?

The "How to get bigger marketshare" question remains. Can it be achieved by:
E) Getting known by spending much money on marketing? Or will the cost be to high?
F) Let "privates" distribute products "for free", but does this benefit the distribution?
G) "Catch and keep" new users with usable products that after payments gives even more value?
30-day Trial CD was kind of "Plan-C". But was it enough? Could "Xandros 4 Free" been an better?
How many new users does Trials generate? Is it mostly lojal users upgrading from Xandros 3 to 4?

As suggested earlier, Xandros could use "Home" as "free" and "commercial" alternative with manual
included. Means lesser versions to develop/support. Resources must be put on more important tasks.
Manual translated to other languages can increase sales. Maybe community members can contribute?
Software sales from Xandros Networks will probably increase by time. The LiveCD could be an god
advertisement/testing tool. These paths may be the ones to choose...

When marketing, dont promise gold and green woods! Because Linux aint. Tell the truth about pros
and cons. How/why Xandros is built on Debian Stable/LSB/DCC the way it is. Users/customers aint
stupid. They appreciate honesty and accuracy and wants to know drawbacks. What goes and what dont.
Because chosing hardware must be done more carefully than with Windows.

Some complains that Xandros isnt bleeding edge. Who needs that in real work? Stability goes first.
Remember, even Microsoft dont change Windows infrastructure (sorry about that) every half year...
But maybe, if only playing with operating systems, then stability isnt important?

Some users misses this/that application, even if most already is out there. Users need to be aware
about all fine unsupported community and other repositories. Xandros could sponsore those alittle.

One problem, when using other repositories than Xandros stable is pinning. Aldubes suggestion about
higher version numbers for Xandros, preventing the main stable system could be one way to go.
http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?t=29447
Or does it give complications?

Still waiting for "Only Cured Edition" Twisted Evil

?
http://torrent.xandros.com/
http://torrent.xandros.com:6969/

It will be ordinated when arrived ...

Doctore

(PS. that was all DS.)

Doctore · Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 5:32 pm Post subject:

HA-HA-HA-HA and still laughing...

Just had to try installing an theme from geekydudes homepage. And it installed...
Did the same with some applications from Xandros Distribution Site. WHAT THE...
And its the famous unofficial Xandros Professional Live CD!
What a pity, that this wonder dont remembering these installs tomorrow morning...
Where is that #!%@$ ICON from where I can install this #!%@$ to my HDD?

Doctore

Davepet · Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:23 am Post subject:

Doctore wrote:

navyfalcon · Xplorer Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 11

from:
Doctore
Xendrosian

The "How to get bigger marketshare" question remains. Can it be achieved by:
E) Getting known by spending much money on marketing? Or will the cost be to high?
F) Let "privates" distribute products "for free", but does this benefit the distribution?
G) "Catch and keep" new users with usable products that after payments gives even more value?
30-day Trial CD was kind of "Plan-C". But was it enough? Could "Xandros 4 Free" been an better?
How many new users does Trials generate? Is it mostly lojal users upgrading from Xandros 3 to 4?

answer: use linux xandros in schools
IBM was able to gain a majority (over 75%) market share by doing this
Microsoft also - make it easy for teachers to teach with this product
Give free outlines and lesson plans and many free tutorials (to schools) on how to use software with Linux (such as ftp, html editors, css editors, hardware and software tutorials, how to fix windows with Xandros, etc
Also have a program for teachers to apply for school grants written in Xandros products (school grants is a big thing).
This would give Xandros a big boost. The Linux community could help.
Not the only answer but an answer, and it works.
falcon